Comments on: Web Design: The void between designer and programmer. http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/ Free Design Resources including free vectors, buttons, icons, fading corners, quick tips, tutorials and more. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:07:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Program Mp4 Film indir http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/#comment-21722 Program Mp4 Film indir Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:10:56 +0000 http://www.bittbox.com/?p=112#comment-21722 Thaks,Very Nice. Thaks,Very Nice.

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]]> By: jet http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/#comment-13552 jet Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:28:40 +0000 http://www.bittbox.com/?p=112#comment-13552 Good post! I've been struggling with this problem for a while now! Near enough all the job listings I see for web designers want you to be a code genius and an expert in photoshop at the same time. I've been working at improving my skill set in both and as a result I feel that I'm progressing a bit too slowly for my liking. Good post!
I’ve been struggling with this problem for a while now! Near enough all the job listings I see for web designers want you to be a code genius and an expert in photoshop at the same time.
I’ve been working at improving my skill set in both and as a result I feel that I’m progressing a bit too slowly for my liking.

]]> By: mona http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/#comment-10570 mona Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:00:14 +0000 http://www.bittbox.com/?p=112#comment-10570 Hi there, sort of stumbled upon this article after subscribing to the site's feed. The title caught my attention, and I agree with your insights after reading it. I have no professional web design or programming experience, but in the last year and a half or so I have developed a very great interest in css and site design. I have seriously considered pursuing an education in a field relating to these subjects, but upon looking into the programs offered by various colleges, I was disappointed to find that very few seemed to have much available for my specific interests. I wonder why that is. You mentioned universities denying web design as being an art form, and I think that is definitely true. It just seems strange to me. I guess because it is relatively "new?" So I've held off on starting any kind of structured schooling for now, but I spend a great deal of time online researching, experimenting with, and very slowly learning more and more about writing css and designing sites, simply by trial and lots of errors. Heh. Anyways, your article was well-written and presented effectively. Thanks. -Mona Hi there, sort of stumbled upon this article after subscribing to the site’s feed. The title caught my attention, and I agree with your insights after reading it. I have no professional web design or programming experience, but in the last year and a half or so I have developed a very great interest in css and site design. I have seriously considered pursuing an education in a field relating to these subjects, but upon looking into the programs offered by various colleges, I was disappointed to find that very few seemed to have much available for my specific interests. I wonder why that is. You mentioned universities denying web design as being an art form, and I think that is definitely true. It just seems strange to me. I guess because it is relatively “new?” So I’ve held off on starting any kind of structured schooling for now, but I spend a great deal of time online researching, experimenting with, and very slowly learning more and more about writing css and designing sites, simply by trial and lots of errors. Heh. Anyways, your article was well-written and presented effectively. Thanks.

-Mona

]]> By: Jamie http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/#comment-9324 Jamie Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:06:41 +0000 http://www.bittbox.com/?p=112#comment-9324 I've found my struggle as someone who tries to balance coding (at least front-end, I admit I know little to nothing about any hardcore programming) and design as a web developer is working with people, clients, and a lack of understanding of how rapidly the web world progresses. While there's good news from Toronto from Tracy, right west in Winnipeg there are a lot of stubborn people who think that they're programmers because they learned something ten years ago in school. I'm working at a design company right now that still insists that tables are the fastest and best ways to do things. To combine design and programming becomes so much harder when someone considers usability - we do work for people who can only have access to a 56k connection, yet it's still insisted that we need a graphics-intensive (or worse yet a Flash) layout. There's a lot that designers and programmers can learn from one another, keeping up with the times and understanding usability are both valuable. I’ve found my struggle as someone who tries to balance coding (at least front-end, I admit I know little to nothing about any hardcore programming) and design as a web developer is working with people, clients, and a lack of understanding of how rapidly the web world progresses.
While there’s good news from Toronto from Tracy, right west in Winnipeg there are a lot of stubborn people who think that they’re programmers because they learned something ten years ago in school. I’m working at a design company right now that still insists that tables are the fastest and best ways to do things.
To combine design and programming becomes so much harder when someone considers usability - we do work for people who can only have access to a 56k connection, yet it’s still insisted that we need a graphics-intensive (or worse yet a Flash) layout.
There’s a lot that designers and programmers can learn from one another, keeping up with the times and understanding usability are both valuable.

]]> By: Erik http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/#comment-8465 Erik Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:30:48 +0000 http://www.bittbox.com/?p=112#comment-8465 Good article, I work for a web development company that was just a programming sub. We went along for years till we finally figured out that if we had the best designers working for us, we would be a very unique beast. Since expanding we have noticed a very different product coming out. It's opened everyone's eyes. Even so much so we are re-designing our site and giving a great deal of attention to the design elements. Good article and perspectives. Good article, I work for a web development company that was just a programming sub. We went along for years till we finally figured out that if we had the best designers working for us, we would be a very unique beast. Since expanding we have noticed a very different product coming out. It’s opened everyone’s eyes. Even so much so we are re-designing our site and giving a great deal of attention to the design elements. Good article and perspectives.

]]> By: BittBox http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/#comment-4837 BittBox Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:22:50 +0000 http://www.bittbox.com/?p=112#comment-4837 @Jeff Finley, I couldn't agree more. Good luck. I'm sure it will grossly benefit your company to have the real deal on board. ~Bitt @Jeff Finley,

I couldn’t agree more. Good luck. I’m sure it will grossly benefit your company to have the real deal on board.

~Bitt

]]> By: Jeff Finley http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/#comment-4836 Jeff Finley Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:10:33 +0000 http://www.bittbox.com/?p=112#comment-4836 We're actually looking to hire a programmer on full time. It's been something we've been through for years - hiring offshore or freelance programmers on a project to project basis. Some work out, some start out great but then never finish, some overcharge, others are too cheap to be true. We've gone through a LOT of programmers over the years and just when we settle on one and have done more than 3-4 jobs together, the programmer is MIA and cannot take on projects suddenly. Sigh. We are immediately hiring a programmer who will work full time with us side by side. If there aren't enough projects to work on, then ideally the programmer should be thinking of new apps to build to help our company out. When designers and programmers work side by side, new doors are opened. And besides, both parties involved offer their real world skillset in addition to their trained one. They can talk marketing, business, heck, even sports and entertainment. There should be no reason why programmers and designers aren't working together as much. Both need eachother so badly~ Btw, any programmers interested in working for us, email me! We’re actually looking to hire a programmer on full time. It’s been something we’ve been through for years - hiring offshore or freelance programmers on a project to project basis. Some work out, some start out great but then never finish, some overcharge, others are too cheap to be true. We’ve gone through a LOT of programmers over the years and just when we settle on one and have done more than 3-4 jobs together, the programmer is MIA and cannot take on projects suddenly. Sigh.

We are immediately hiring a programmer who will work full time with us side by side. If there aren’t enough projects to work on, then ideally the programmer should be thinking of new apps to build to help our company out.

When designers and programmers work side by side, new doors are opened. And besides, both parties involved offer their real world skillset in addition to their trained one. They can talk marketing, business, heck, even sports and entertainment. There should be no reason why programmers and designers aren’t working together as much. Both need eachother so badly~ Btw, any programmers interested in working for us, email me!

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/#comment-4673 Sandy Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:14:30 +0000 http://www.bittbox.com/?p=112#comment-4673 @Nina, Depending on your current background in design, I think taking a couple of courses at a college in your area that does offer design classes as a continuing education option or a program that allows you to pick and choose classes and sessions in that course area, without necessarily working toward another degree. I know the Art Institutes are pretty good for this type of thing and they are all over the US. The reason why I am suggesting more of a formal education to start is because it will give you the ability to work and learn with other budding designers, as well as to help you establish your own design sense and how you can best apply it to your role as a programmer, if you do decide to do both. I think if you are able to find a balance between learning how different designs function and the skills needed to create designs (like Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, etc.), you will have a really well-rounded foundation. If you're more self-taught, then you can search through Amazon to find certain titles that you think would push you in the right direction too. Best of luck. :) @Nina,

Depending on your current background in design, I think taking a couple of courses at a college in your area that does offer design classes as a continuing education option or a program that allows you to pick and choose classes and sessions in that course area, without necessarily working toward another degree.

I know the Art Institutes are pretty good for this type of thing and they are all over the US. The reason why I am suggesting more of a formal education to start is because it will give you the ability to work and learn with other budding designers, as well as to help you establish your own design sense and how you can best apply it to your role as a programmer, if you do decide to do both. I think if you are able to find a balance between learning how different designs function and the skills needed to create designs (like Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, etc.), you will have a really well-rounded foundation.

If you’re more self-taught, then you can search through Amazon to find certain titles that you think would push you in the right direction too. Best of luck. :)

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